Comments on: More Hating on Fireworks, or, How I learned to stop worrying and love Photoshop I mean Illustrator I mean, o, crap. http://blog.dearadobe.com/2009/10/07/more-hating-on-fireworks-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-photoshop-i-mean-illustrator-i-mean-o-crap/ 99 Problems but Bridge ain't one. Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:01:12 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Amy http://blog.dearadobe.com/2009/10/07/more-hating-on-fireworks-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-photoshop-i-mean-illustrator-i-mean-o-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-766 Amy Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:54:45 +0000 http://blog.dearadobe.com/?p=161#comment-766 absolutely! well said bez! ADOBE! wake up and smell the coffee... if you don't you will soon have an awful lot of unhappy people in the design & creative industry looking for other options... these, the very same people you depend on for your bread & butter! absolutely! well said bez!

ADOBE! wake up and smell the coffee…
if you don’t you will soon have an awful lot of unhappy people in the design & creative industry looking for other options… these, the very same people you depend on for your bread & butter!

]]> By: Jack http://blog.dearadobe.com/2009/10/07/more-hating-on-fireworks-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-photoshop-i-mean-illustrator-i-mean-o-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-759 Jack Fri, 28 May 2010 12:07:49 +0000 http://blog.dearadobe.com/?p=161#comment-759 Well, I'm not sure about the crashes other people experience with adobe software. At the print shop I work at, we don't come across any big problems except for colour management in the RIP. Getting software and print hardware to do the same thing, the way we want is our biggest issue. Other than that, our answer to most crashes is user error. And our cm issues could be user error too. That, and the reason why adobe is focusing so much on the whole Flash, Flex, Cataylst and these others is the fact that the print market is dying. Just most people don't want to admit to it....like pre-mature balding and a growth in places that cannot be mentioned. Well, I’m not sure about the crashes other people experience with adobe software.
At the print shop I work at, we don’t come across any big problems except for colour management in the RIP. Getting software and print hardware to do the same thing, the way we want is our biggest issue.
Other than that, our answer to most crashes is user error.
And our cm issues could be user error too.

That, and the reason why adobe is focusing so much on the whole Flash, Flex, Cataylst and these others is the fact that the print market is dying.
Just most people don’t want to admit to it….like pre-mature balding and a growth in places that cannot be mentioned.

]]> By: m.fraser http://blog.dearadobe.com/2009/10/07/more-hating-on-fireworks-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-photoshop-i-mean-illustrator-i-mean-o-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-743 m.fraser Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:33:50 +0000 http://blog.dearadobe.com/?p=161#comment-743 absolutely! well said bez! ADOBE! wake up and smell the coffee... if you don't you will soon have an awful lot of unhappy people in the design & creative industry looking for other options... these, the very same people you depend on for your bread & butter! absolutely! well said bez!

ADOBE! wake up and smell the coffee…
if you don’t you will soon have an awful lot of unhappy people in the design & creative industry looking for other options… these, the very same people you depend on for your bread & butter!

]]> By: Bez Palmer http://blog.dearadobe.com/2009/10/07/more-hating-on-fireworks-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-photoshop-i-mean-illustrator-i-mean-o-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-742 Bez Palmer Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:22:14 +0000 http://blog.dearadobe.com/?p=161#comment-742 This is very interesting to me. I have used Fireworks, Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, and FreeHand extensively. I've looked at the new Flash Catalyst. I'm clear on the differences between all these apps and several others, I can see where they overlap and where one fails in territory another goes with confidence. Notwithstanding stability issues and bugs, all the above applications have their strengths and weaknesses. None of this surprises me, but what does surprise me is that it's 2010 and this is what the commercial artist has to choose from, not to mention a slew of lesser-known and -used apps out there, and not treading heavily into the world of 3D or motion graphics / film / video--overall a zone that seems to enjoy a much better offering. And it's disappointing to me that FreeHand, which despite certain criticisms does quite a number of things faster and more enjoyably than the others, has been sidelined when clearly the remaining contenders for print and web creation have so many steep shortcomings. Apple, Corel, all the rest as well as open source, can't provide where Adobe has the most muscle. And yet Adobe has for me become more of a necessary evil rather than a company I admire in the way I admire Apple (which also has slipping image problems for me). Adobe, snap out of it. Take some advice from professionals whose livelihoods depend upon your corporate power structure. We know you have stock values and quarterly sales to worry about, but I assure you all of that would take care of itself.....if only you took care of us. Goes without saying that the level of technology we're talking about is amazing, just think it could use a fresh eye. This is very interesting to me.

I have used Fireworks, Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, and FreeHand extensively. I’ve looked at the new Flash Catalyst. I’m clear on the differences between all these apps and several others, I can see where they overlap and where one fails in territory another goes with confidence. Notwithstanding stability issues and bugs, all the above applications have their strengths and weaknesses. None of this surprises me, but what does surprise me is that it’s 2010 and this is what the commercial artist has to choose from, not to mention a slew of lesser-known and -used apps out there, and not treading heavily into the world of 3D or motion graphics / film / video–overall a zone that seems to enjoy a much better offering. And it’s disappointing to me that FreeHand, which despite certain criticisms does quite a number of things faster and more enjoyably than the others, has been sidelined when clearly the remaining contenders for print and web creation have so many steep shortcomings. Apple, Corel, all the rest as well as open source, can’t provide where Adobe has the most muscle. And yet Adobe has for me become more of a necessary evil rather than a company I admire in the way I admire Apple (which also has slipping image problems for me). Adobe, snap out of it. Take some advice from professionals whose livelihoods depend upon your corporate power structure. We know you have stock values and quarterly sales to worry about, but I assure you all of that would take care of itself…..if only you took care of us.

Goes without saying that the level of technology we’re talking about is amazing, just think it could use a fresh eye.

]]> By: wim henk pieterpad http://blog.dearadobe.com/2009/10/07/more-hating-on-fireworks-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-photoshop-i-mean-illustrator-i-mean-o-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-531 wim henk pieterpad Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:28:00 +0000 http://blog.dearadobe.com/?p=161#comment-531 Fireworks is much more the next gen interface and interaction design tool than photoshop (which is meant for single image editing) and illustrator (which is meant for fine vector work). Adobe has lost focus a bit when building Catalyst, which in my opinion is way too limited and seems more meant to push Flex as a developing platform, than to really give us a tool for interaction design. So yes, you should try Fireworks, and maybe like me you'll never return to Photoshop ever again. Fireworks is much more the next gen interface and interaction design tool than photoshop (which is meant for single image editing) and illustrator (which is meant for fine vector work). Adobe has lost focus a bit when building Catalyst, which in my opinion is way too limited and seems more meant to push Flex as a developing platform, than to really give us a tool for interaction design.
So yes, you should try Fireworks, and maybe like me you’ll never return to Photoshop ever again.

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